How to Achieve Happiness with Transformation Coach Brooks Munn
Reese Brown (02:14.53)
Brooks, thank you so much for being here. I similarly have been very much looking forward to this conversation. Yeah, I mean, I look forward to every conversation, but in each one is energizing for different reasons. But even when we first met and we were just
Brooks Munn (02:23.298)
Oh yeah, let's do it.
Reese Brown (02:43.97)
chatting, so many of our goals aligned so similarly that it was like, of course, of course we have to do a podcast. It would be crazy if we didn't. So, I'm really glad we're doing this. First things first, since you've listened to the episodes, you know it's coming, but what is one thing you are grateful for right now?
Brooks Munn (02:52.237)
Absolutely.
Brooks Munn (03:04.182)
I first too want to say, Reese, thank you so much for having me. I am so excited and I am very grateful to be on the show. But I got, don't worry. I'm going to share something else. Um, the thing I am most grateful lately is the guidance and direction that the Holy spirit has given me. What God has done as far as guiding me to really develop my business and.
Reese Brown (03:25.586)
Mmm.
Brooks Munn (03:34.438)
how he has given me peace and some recent trials and tribulations and struggles to go through and develop that, words cannot even describe my gratitude. So that's the thing I'm most grateful for.
Reese Brown (03:47.586)
Hmm.
Reese Brown (03:51.006)
I love that. I think that's really powerful. And one, thank you for your honesty. One thing when we were preparing for the podcast that we talked a bit about just to give the listeners a bit of BTS is Brooks's spiritual and religious background and story. And of course, that's a huge part of making meaning for any of us. And I'm really excited to delve into that.
aspect of meaning today. Second question, bit of a doozy, but whatever you feel called to share is perfect. What is your story?
Brooks Munn (04:34.851)
I wanna start with kind of where I wanna start with my story. If I told y'all my whole life story, this would be a four hour podcast. So I wanna kind of, what I wanna tell you guys about Reese and just everybody that's tuning in right now, I want you to know what led me to develop my coaching business, Unconditional Happiness.
Reese Brown (04:42.611)
We'd be, yeah, we'd be here forever.
Brooks Munn (04:59.142)
And it all started when I was managing apparel at this Dick's Sporting Goods. And my operations manager came up to me and he was just like, dude, you ever seen the documentary, The Secret of Life? And I was like, no, what are you talking about, The Secret of Life? And by the way, John, if you're listening to this, I love you, man. That's my operations manager.
He was very mysterious about when he said, you ever seen the secret of life? So at that point I was intrigued and all he told me, Reese, is go home and watch it and then come back and talk to me. He didn't give me anything, no details about it. And I said, okay. I watched it and my mind was blown. And by the way, Reese, have you seen the secret of life?
Reese Brown (05:57.331)
Yes, I have.
Brooks Munn (05:58.474)
Okay. And for the listeners on here that haven't seen it, the secret of life, in essence, is just explaining the law of attraction. It's about a 90 minute documentary. I believe it was in 2006.
And you know, the funny thing is I went online and I just was kind of curious about what other people thought about the law of attraction and a lot of people thought it was really, really cheesy. Um, so I think it was funny how my initial viewing, I was able to really get into it. Uh, so I was really into the law of attraction and I mean, I still am, but. I.
Where I struggled was, okay, how does the wall of attraction coincide with my belief in God? And what's the science to back it up? Like people talking about your thoughts, think positive and manifest and you'll manifest the Ferrari. I was just, I was very puzzled with like, how is that even possible?
So for years, I have dedicated my free time to studying the science behind reality, which is quantum physics. And I have also studied neuroscience, which has helped me and others just become happier. You can reprogram your brain, which I want to talk about a little bit later on the show. And I was just completely immersed.
by these topics. But anyway, back to my story, I'm like, okay, this law of attraction thing, I'm going to give it a shot. And I literally I remember I did a meditation, I had a very, bless you, a very intimate experience with God. And I kid you not guys, 10 minutes later, I get a phone call from one of my very best friends.
Reese Brown (07:49.812)
Thank you, excuse me.
Brooks Munn (08:01.554)
and it was a job offering. And I was manifesting, I was praying about a job and literally 10 minutes later, and it was at a company called Wesley Financial Group where I would help people get out of time shares that have been lied to. Okay, so I'm like, all right, this thing works. I can definitely do that. And then I'm like, you know what? Because this is getting to sound so cheesy, y'all.
I'm 27 now, but I was one of those dudes when I was a senior in high school, when I was 18, I wanted to meet the love of my life. And I went on a lot of dates, I went out with a lot of the wrong people, just put it that way. Just what it was because, right? Exactly. And I realized why I wasn't meeting my wife is I wasn't intentional about it.
Reese Brown (08:45.578)
Hey, we've all been there, we've all been there.
Brooks Munn (08:58.478)
So I started praying. I started visualizing every day meeting my wife. I literally visualized that woman. And so for three months I did this. And the third month I ultimately met my wife. But Reese, this is gonna blow your mind and all of the listeners. When I would meditate and when I would visualize this woman.
It was, God took me to this place. It was on this beach in this remote area and it was very foggy. And I would see this woman, just look at me. And it would be like 20 seconds most days. I would just be kind of there. I wouldn't, I wasn't interacting with this girl, but I could see her. And that was literally my wife.
who her name for y'all that don't know, it's Blakely Munn. But literally, God was showing me visions of my actual wife before I met her. That's how powerful this is. So manifested my wife and that was awesome. So I was like, okay.
I'm really gonna put the law of attraction to the test. And at this point in my life, for everyone that's listening, I, you know, besides 27, I was younger in my twenties then, and I loved my wife so much. And I'm just like, I need to support her. I'm like, I wanna bring so much wealth, so much abundance in, so I never have to worry about money. And she, you know, she wants that, of course.
And I manifested a very incredible opportunity. I was humbled enough to get a job at a firm called the paradigm Gilbert group, which is partnered with NKSFB, which is the largest business management firm in the world. And you guys might be like, why are you going into so much detail?
Brooks Munn (10:54.254)
or the largest business management firm of the world. So the person who essentially owned all of us was the CEO of the largest business management firm in the world, which means our clientele are literally the most wealthy people in America. We worked with professional athletes, we worked with celebrities that you knew. To put this in perspective, y'all, 14 out of the last 15 Super Bowl performers were clients of ours.
And I thought like, oh my gosh, this is it. I don't have to worry about anything. But what I found Reese is during that job and meeting with clients, I was more passionate about.
Talking about how to become happier how to change your reality all these concepts that I've learned for years rather than talk about their financial situation Which is a debacle right because I'm there to help them with their financial situation. I Last fall had another all I want to say about it right now is a very intimate relationship or intimate relationship
with God. Yes, I have that too. An intimate experience with God. And this is also going to blow y'all's mind. You're going to be like, Brooks, you're crazy. This happened the night that Texas Rangers won the World Series. We're talking game seven guys when, you know, most of America, especially Texans here, were watching the World Series. And you know what God said? Don't watch it tonight. You need to seek me out.
tonight and I went in my closet, all the lights off, I started praying and this is what he showed me. My experience, Reese, was this. He said, Brooks, everything I've taught you about becoming happier, transforming people's lives for the better, getting people closer to me, you need to drop everything right now.
Brooks Munn (13:11.49)
and go follow me and do it. And you know what the crazy thing is? I was actually all in. Reese, it was a very just relieving feeling because I was just like, oh my gosh, I knew it. I'm like, I knew there was something up with this other job. And by the way, the paradigm Gilbert's an incredible firm. The people there are awesome, but it just wasn't my purpose.
Um, because I, you know, I, I started to learn that there's a difference between passion and purpose. And I, at that point, my passion didn't align with my purpose at that time, which it does now. And I, uh, I literally did what God said and I have never been happier in my life. I have seen other people's lives just transform. And.
I mean, I can't even describe just how grateful I am right now. And that's pretty much how I'm here. And I've just, I've developed the business and all the concepts I've learned. I have studied how reality works. I've studied the scientific benefits of meditation. I have studied how to.
Reese Brown (14:21.506)
Yeah.
Brooks Munn (14:36.11)
transform your mind, reprogram the subconscious mind, which I wanna talk about a little bit later. I have learned healing tactics with God. For those of y'all that are not believers, self-healing, I've learned how to do that. My whole life has changed, and all I can say is all glory to God. It's all him. He's incredible. But that's...
Reese Brown (15:01.48)
Mm-hmm.
What? Yeah, no, no. I thank you so much for sharing and being vulnerable and going there. It's not a ramble at all. I think the reason why I always love starting with that question is because I'm sure you can tell if I'm ever looking down, it's because I'm jotting down notes, not because I'm not paying attention, but it's because I wanna grasp onto all of the beautiful little nuggets that are dropped throughout that. And I think everyone has at least one.
Brooks Munn (15:04.762)
Pretty much about life, so I don't want to ramble anymore.
Reese Brown (15:33.542)
story to tell, at least one. Human beings at the end of the day are meaning makers in that we take all of this information and we forge it into our lives story. And the ultimate meaning at the end of that is in our own hands, but also in how we interact with a higher power, a God, the universe, whatever you wanna call that. And that does lead me into my first follow-up question.
Of course, listeners can probably tell that you are a man of faith. And I would love to hear a little bit more about the root behind that and how that has informed your approach to science research in like more academic style study. Because I do think that a lot of the times, myself included, you hear someone
talk about their relationship with an organized religion and blinders can go on, right? Really easily because of the idea that this organized religion is a monolith, which oftentimes it can be, but also there are individual people that have their own practices and relationship to what that God means to them, what that higher power means to them. And I tend to believe that, you know, we all...
have some sort of belief system, but we like to use different words. And of course, then we get into more specifics between different religions. Now I'm rambling, but I would love to hear. But yeah, I kind of want to start there and with your experience with Christianity and how that links you to science and research as opposed to pushing you away. Because that's something that
Brooks Munn (17:12.458)
No, you're not. Ha ha ha.
Reese Brown (17:30.15)
even though I don't consider myself under the label of Christian anymore, as someone who has a belief in a higher power and a deep spirituality, I also have a deep analytical mind and research-based mind. And I do think that even though faith is a really big part of spirituality, I think being able to dive into the science behind things is also really important. So I would love to hear about that.
Brooks Munn (18:00.754)
Absolutely. Well, you first said talk about the root behind your faith and Christianity. I grew up in a Christian household, so most Sundays we would go to church. So I grew up in two places, Dallas and Denver. And when I got baptized, I was in Colorado. I was 10 years old. And for those of y'all that are familiar with the Colorado area, it was at
Brooks Munn (18:30.27)
experience was where I first initially felt the Holy Spirit all throughout my body. I mean, it was an incredible sensation at 10 years old too. And I'm just like, I'm a believer, man. Like this is incredible. Jesus around my neck, you know, they gave me the cross after, this is, this is awesome. And I, throughout my teen years, I, you know, was still a Christian. I always had a
uh, a ton of faith, but I, you know, there was a time of my life when I got into a lot of partying and I did a lot of that. And I still, I never lost my faith, but I felt like I was in a time Reese where
I was kind of living for myself. Is it just like, ah, you know, as long as I take care of everything I need to and party on the weekends or whatever, it really doesn't matter. I didn't really have a purpose at that time. I was serving. I was just kind of a self-serving. And it wasn't a great thing for me.
And so kind of going, um, y'all heard my story about the wall of attraction and I had to figure out, okay, how does that coincide with my faith in God first?
And the book of Mark and the book of Matthew tells us, whatever you ask for in prayer, in believe you shall receive. Now I really wanna hone in on whatever you ask for in prayer in believe you shall receive. Because those of y'all that are listening that are familiar with the law of attraction, or let's go a step deeper, the law of assumption, if you've ever heard of that one.
Brooks Munn (20:26.538)
A lot of that for you manifestors out there know that if you want to manifest, you have to believe that it happens and have no worries. And I was just like, wow, okay. So the Bible coincides and aligns with the law of attraction. Great. Let's close the Bible and rejoice and go, go out there. And by the way, as I speak, this guy's is just how I personally live my life and my faith for any of y'all that.
are, you know, atheist or a different religion. My business, by the way, I help anybody become happier. So I don't want to say like, Hey, this is the only way to live. I just want to make that crystal clear guys. And I, so I figured that out. But what really started to change my life, Reese, is in the book of Psalms, in the book of Proverbs,
it tells us to obtain wisdom through God. And when I was manifesting, really up till, I would say last year, I was kind of treating it like a genie in the bottle. Now my wife, that's all another story. It's great. Like everybody needs to manifest their significant other, if that's what you choose to do. If not, totally cool. Doesn't matter. But I think that was fine. But...
I've started to realize that I am a lot happier when I wake up in the morning and before I do my meditation, I pray and say, God, shape my thoughts, give me guidance. Because I wasn't doing that. I was doing what does Brooks One want to manifest into his life? And I think that's been the biggest difference for me because if I didn't have that experience with God,
and he didn't show me the way, I would still be doing something that didn't ultimately give me fulfillment because that is one of the roots to happiness is being fulfilled.
Reese Brown (22:34.379)
Mmm.
Reese Brown (22:40.222)
Absolutely. I think that, excuse me, is so powerful because one of my questions was going to be, you know, well, and I think there's still more to unpack there, so we'll get into that too, but about the relationship between something that isn't necessarily religious but is spiritual, how your religious practice informs that, and it really sounds like it is almost like the wellspring that you start from.
to then allow things to flow out of using these techniques and practices that are borrowed or utilized or kind of jointly created through other religions and other practices and other philosophies that we can kind of combine and use together. I think that's really powerful to see almost where your access point comes from. Yeah.
So continuing on that thought, what would you say is then the difference between the something like prayer and meditation and manifestation, all of these kind of introspective practices that are deeply spiritual, have deeply internal reflection as a part of them, but also at least in my own personal experience.
connection to, I'll call it source for anyone who is, you know, atheist or theist out there. I think source is a good kind of blanket term, but also feeling this like connection to source in those experiences. Do you see a difference between those things? And if so, what is it?
Brooks Munn (24:26.386)
Great question, by the way. I'm so glad that you brought that question. And the first thing you said, Reese, was prayer. And what I wanna talk about, for me personally, as a Christian, I don't believe I am a religious person because I feel like a lot of churches have made manmade rules or have certain rules that we do that they implement and they have us,
us to do or whatever you want to call it. Sorry, kind of lost my train of thought there. But personally, there's a lot of things that I have found that churches are saying to do that actually don't coincide with the Bible. And I believe the Bible, personally for me, doesn't have to be for you. I believe the Bible is the truth in the way. And me as a Christian, I see my Christianity more about my relationship with God.
rather than, oh, I'm religious, going to church on Sunday. I do go to church on Sunday. I go to Northwest Bible Church, which by the way, is a incredible church that does not push manmade rules. It's all about the Bible. Now, to answer your question, prayer is developing and communicating that relationship with God. Meditation.
is listening to God and manifestation is experiencing God's work at hand. And what I know from a scientific standpoint, I can prove it. And sometimes I use the word create. We all do or creativity. There's nothing wrong with that.
But what people have to understand is we actually don't create our reality. We are not co-creators of our reality. We generate our reality. And I really, for me personally, you don't have to believe this today. That's what I believe my manifestation is about is based on my prayer, my meditation, my guidance, me listening to God, and the manifestation is the experience of my.
Brooks Munn (26:42.944)
life for me personally through Christ which everything is generated through God.
Reese Brown (26:51.182)
Hmm, I really love this picture of the trifecta there as well in prayer manifestation and meditation that prayer is almost you communicating to paraphrase your beautiful explanation. Prayer is you communicating to God. Meditation is listening to source and manifestation is experiencing. It really kind of reflects the Father-Son Holy Spirit in the sense that
When you pray, you are, you know, a holy son being of God, right? Communicating to your higher power. When you're meditating, you're listening to Father and experiencing all around you, the Holy Spirit and manifestation. Um, I think that's a really beautiful parallel there and I can absolutely see the distinction. To continue on this train of thought.
Because also several times you've mentioned, being a spiritual person and a Christian, I don't wanna say religious anymore, now that I know that you don't necessarily identify as a religious person, even though you are deeply spiritual and faithful.
Reese Brown (28:09.518)
how, oh, but you've mentioned your work, wanting to be very accessible to people from all backgrounds, all places, all worldviews, which I think is beautiful. And more people of faith and more people of spirituality should be open and accepting and be able to use their personal practices to meet someone where they are. And not from a place of, oh, one day you'll get to where I am, but from a place of, that's okay.
You can have your belief and I can have mine and we can help each other too. So I think that's really beautiful. How have you come to have that approach as opposed to, I think a lot of the time, even in service, when we have this service mindset, I know I'm guilty of it as well. There is this piece of like, but I still know better and I'm gonna meet you where you're at.
which is not quite as educated as me or not quite as thoughtful or quite as enlightened or awake as I am right now. And one day you will be and I'll help you get there. But how have you honed and crafted this perspective that is, I just have expertise in this area and this is how it's informed my beliefs. And I can bring you this expertise that will help you hone and inform your beliefs and hopefully increase your happiness.
Brooks Munn (29:36.818)
Sure. I, and that, that's a great point, Reese. I'm glad you brought this up because we are in a world right now with a lot of chaos, but also a lot of opposition. People are disagreeing, whether it's the political spectrum or the religious spectrum, or even the health and wellness spectrum too. So I like to create unity and I like to create a space where it doesn't matter. Religious not religious, the color of your skin, the background you come from. I'm here to create unity.
Reese Brown (29:58.098)
Mm.
Brooks Munn (30:06.972)
in a process that anybody in the world can implement. And I wanna talk about first how I go about doing that. And with my business being called unconditional happiness, I first wanna talk about why people are unhappy. And the, and go ahead. Yeah.
Reese Brown (30:27.022)
But before we even dive into that, I would love to get just your definition of happiness on the board, kind of for us to reflect back to. But I would just, of course, that's not, I was gonna say just a quick definition, but how do you give a quick definition of happiness? But something just as a reference point for us, I think would be wonderful.
Brooks Munn (30:49.242)
Well, to tell you the truth, Reese, there really, in my opinion, isn't a way to quickly define happiness. Like, I don't believe there's a way to quickly define love. But I will say that my company's slogan, and this is what God told me to say, it's in the Book of Romans, do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind.
Reese Brown (31:17.474)
Hmm.
Brooks Munn (31:17.51)
And my process that I take people through is called transformation. And ultimately, if you're able to transform your mind, that is a very important aspect of happiness.
Reese Brown (31:34.914)
Wow, that.
What a doozy of a verse, that's a good one. And also for the listeners, as someone who was also raised in Christianity, but I no longer identify as Christian, I still love verses the same way and love studying the Bible the same way. I love studying different religious texts as well. I think any kind of wellspring of information is a beautiful addition to our knowledge base or spirit base, but.
That's a good verse. That's a good one. So apologies for cutting off your train of thought, but let's go back to, you were gonna say, I'm glad we have that kind of as a touchstone that we can use. You wanted to start with why people are unhappy.
Brooks Munn (32:13.699)
No, gosh no.
Brooks Munn (32:25.994)
Yes, and the first reason that people are unhappy is we have conditioned our minds to negatively react to most of our conditions and circumstances. So for instance, traffic.
Reese Brown (32:40.277)
Hmm.
Brooks Munn (32:44.502)
I mean, come on. Like it doesn't matter what city you're in right now listening. Have you seen somebody that's typically a good person, gets in the car, somebody cuts them off and all of a sudden they throw a tirade, they get angry. Or societal status, people feeling negative about a social media post or about how people perceive them or something their coworker says or something their boss says.
Well, it turns out that God didn't intend us to negatively react to these things to the extent. And over time, what we have done, Reese, is we've overstimulated something called our sympathetic nervous system, which causes us to go into fight or flight mode. And studies have recently come out that most people are in this mode 70% of the time.
Yeah, let that sink in 70% of the time guys. And this fight or flight mode was actually created for a good thing. I'll give you a perfect example back when cavemen were walking around and dinosaurs, if a T-Rex was chasing you, you go into your SNS to survive. It is called in short, the survival mode. But if we are...
Reese Brown (33:48.45)
That's crazy.
Brooks Munn (34:11.622)
going outside and public or society and have anxiety of, oh my gosh, I don't know what this person's gonna think about my t-shirt or whatever, we're not supposed to utilize the SNS. And unfortunately, what this does is it allows our brain and heart not to be in coherence, our heart rate races.
our pupils dilate, our digestive tract is cut off, and we do not have sufficient blood flow to vital organs of the body. Those are some negative things that happen if we utilize SNS for a prolonged period of time, which is, that essentially coincides with point number one of why people are unhappy. They've conditioned themselves that way.
And point number two is people are unhappy because they don't understand what happiness is.
Guys, for those of y'all listening here in America, remember the ideology, the pursuit of happiness? I mean, come on, pursuit of happiness? You've gotta be kidding me, man. Because that means like, you're like a little gerbil on a wheel, pursuit of happiness, you're always pursuing it. Because we're told that happiness is found when we get married, happiness is found when we get the dream home, the dream job. Oh, if I have a million dollars.
Reese Brown (35:34.902)
when you achieve some other external marker, something else that is not.
internal or a relationship with a higher power.
Brooks Munn (35:46.318)
I couldn't set it a better myself, Reese. That is exactly what it is. And that's what causes people not to be happy. I mean, you see it in marketing everywhere. Every marketing companies are like, oh, drink this and you'll be happy or whatever. Go on this vacation and you'll become happy. And in short, yes, you'll be happy. And that's something I might talk about later in this podcast, some of the pillars of happiness. One of them is pleasure.
And that's okay to be happy, but it's not going to give you fulfillment, ultimately. And the number three reason people are not happy is they don't have clarity. They're confused in their life. They're confused. Why am I unhappy? Why am I getting sick all the time? How does my reality work? Why do so many bad things continue to happen?
Reese Brown (36:19.971)
Mm.
Reese Brown (36:29.45)
Mmm.
Brooks Munn (36:44.058)
which I'm sure you can imagine could cause a lot of unhappiness.
Reese Brown (36:49.162)
Yeah, unease, absolutely. That is so powerful and absolutely touches on this scientific background that we're talking about. So if that is why people are unhappy, oh, I remember where we're going to with this. How do you craft this system, unconditional happiness, that is?
sustainable and accessible for all people from all backgrounds and worldviews, even if they don't share your own spiritual belief, but it's still a way that they can perhaps uncondition or recondition or you know what, not even that, I'll steal your word, transform their way of thinking into a more sustainable or healthy state of fulfillment and purpose and happiness.
Brooks Munn (37:47.11)
Great, great thing to bring up, Rhys. So on that topic, we're gonna talk neuroscience, because you talked about reconditioning, transforming. What we first have to understand is our conscious mind. This is our mind that we're all utilizing. Everybody listening right now, we are more adept in our conscious mind right now. Here's the problem, guys. Only 5% of our thoughts
feelings, emotions, and actions come from our conscious mind. And then we have this other part called the subconscious mind, or some people call it the unconscious mind. For instance, when you go to bed and you go to sleep, you are completely in your subconscious mind. And the subconscious mind is 95% of our thoughts
our feelings and emotions and actions. And let me ask you this, Reese, have you ever heard this saying or knew somebody that said, people just don't change?
Reese Brown (38:56.16)
Yeah.
Brooks Munn (38:58.53)
You know the funny thing about that? Partially, they're right. People really don't change because if we're not interacting with that 95% of ourself, our subconscious, which most people don't, we're left with only being able to change 5% of ourselves? Let that sink in for a moment. You can only change 5% of yourself if you don't do anything about the subconscious.
A majority of my work, Reese, this is neuroscience. This isn't, you don't have to be a certain background, religion, anything like that. My work is teaching people.
how to immerse themselves into their subconscious mind and change those negative reactions, change those negative emotions that they don't want. And how I do that is I walk them through an exercise called an SIE, which stands for a Subconscious Immersive Experience. And the first step in an SIE,
is to be aware of, okay, what kind of negative thoughts do I have going on? What kind of negative emotions do I have going on? What kind of negative actions am I doing? And for those of y'all listening right now, you might be thinking, well, Brooks, I'm already familiar with what makes me unhappy. I already know about it, but remember
you know about that through your conscious mind. And this is why even though, like have you, Reese, have you ever tried to work on a habit and I'm guilty of this too, and try to change a habit and you just can't change or it takes a long time to change, right?
Reese Brown (40:42.562)
Yeah, totally.
Brooks Munn (40:45.282)
And that's typically the conscious mind. Like guilty as charged, I'll go ahead and tell y'all something I'm working on right now is frustration with technology. It irks the heck out of me. I'm not tech savvy as it is, but I have this subconscious program in my mind like, oh my gosh, if it's not working or I get an error with technology, I react.
Reese Brown (40:56.427)
Mmm.
Brooks Munn (41:11.206)
And the really cool thing is, Reese, when we immerse ourselves into the subconscious and we become aware of, oh, those thoughts, oh, those reactions, oh, those habits that we don't want, the next time after you do an SIE, when that condition or circumstance comes up, you're going to have that aha moment, because you're going to be like, oh,
not today, Satan, you're going to be like, I, this is, you're going to be like, no, dang it. This is the subconscious program. And now I'm not saying it's going to be easy because you're going to be given a test, but if you can observe your thoughts, observe your life and observe the things that happened to you, then you can change your response.
Reese Brown (41:40.416)
Right.
Brooks Munn (42:04.314)
Guys, I'll give you a perfect example. By the way, I'm guilty of this sometimes too. Let's say you had an ETA, you're in the car, Google Maps or whatever you use says 30 minutes gets changed to an hour. What do most people do? Yeah, I gotta take it to the air. Whoo, man, throw a tirade. You gotta be kidding me. Just thinking about it, right? But let's say I took somebody through an SIE and they...
Reese Brown (42:23.156)
Yep, yep, even just thinking about it. Yeah, yeah.
Brooks Munn (42:34.062)
right after they had to get to work and they're even thinking about traffic. Well, here's what could potentially happen after the SIE. 30 minutes changes to an hour and they say, you know what? Why don't I just tune into this podcast I've been wanting to listen to? Or, oh wait, I have that buddy I need to call. Maybe I should tune into that. Or, you know what? Maybe this is a good time to pray. That is...
simply taking a situation that most people perceive as negative and changing the response. It is the work guys is simple, but it can be challenging because you got to put in the work you got. You've got to consistently change your response.
Reese Brown (43:16.076)
Yeah.
Totally. I think that is such an important point, is that the work is simple, but it takes time, right? Is that just because it seems so like, oh, well obviously, and it's like, well those sacredly simple things are the things that because they seem so obvious, are the ones that we're not doing. That's the stuff that it's like, it is so right in front of us that it seems like
Well then, what's the point almost? You're like, it's like hidden in plain sight almost. And so even though it is right there and it seems so simple, actually taking the step forward and doing it is so important. As you're talking about this SIE, which sounds fascinating and quick question, is it like guided meditation, hypnosis, style-esque?
Brooks Munn (44:17.946)
The closest thing is a form of guided meditation. Now the reason, because I wanna demystify the guys, the people that meditate, yes, it's a form of meditation. The reason I don't use that word is some people have a stigma against meditation. And also people are like, oh, I meditate, do I have to be this religion or culture? Or.
Reese Brown (44:37.59)
Yep.
Brooks Munn (44:44.462)
Oh, I have to be still. I just have to think positively when I meditate or, Oh, I, you know, people that are in a transcendental meditate, there's so many stigmas and confusion. And I also, this is why I love science because it creates unity. I explained the why do we do this? So it is science more meaning and all meditation to me is it's going in reprogramming the subconscious mind. And it's the, I mean, with that.
Reese Brown (44:53.771)
Yeah.
Reese Brown (45:00.386)
Yeah.
Brooks Munn (45:14.196)
And I don't know if I could have time to get in to all of the benefits in this podcast because you'll change the Physiology of your body you have the power to heal there are so many incredible benefits guys to this But in essence you're doing that and then you're connecting to that still Small voice whatever that is for you God or if you're atheist the quantum field higher intelligence Universal spirit
Reese Brown (45:26.507)
It's true.
Reese Brown (45:33.942)
Yeah. Ooh.
Brooks Munn (45:42.362)
Guys, it doesn't matter whatever it is for you, but I promise you, if you do an SIE, you are going to get guidance from whatever your authority of higher power is, and it will change your life forever.
Reese Brown (45:57.546)
I could not agree with that statement more. Like, I will never forget the first time I meditated. And well, the first time I began really exploring meditation and one of my teachers had given me a book that was not a part of curriculum or anything. And it's the Mahamudra, which is a Tibetan Buddhist religious text. And within the Mahamudra, it starts with
kind of the instructional pieces leading up to beginning a meditative practice is that you have to have a dedicated yoga practice. You have to have like a dedicated religious practice like all of these other steps that come through. And I remember after having read like the first half of the book, I went to my teacher and I was like, well, I need to do this right. I need to do all these things. I want to try and like, obviously, like morph them to work within.
a modern lens and within my life and all of these things. He was like, Reese, I love that you have that approach. Just do it. Just go. Like you're letting these like rules and restrictions get in the way of the heart of what we're supposed to be getting at, right? And I was like, thank you. One, I needed to hear that. But also I think so speaks to your point of like just leaning in sometimes.
you will have an experience, right? And even if it starts in a place of like, oh, I feel silly or oh, this feels uncomfortable or different or weird, even if the experience is just laughing at yourself for 15 minutes, that's still gonna be really good for your nervous system. Even if the experience is being really uncomfortable for 15 minutes, what a great practice in resilience and bouncing back out of that and doing something that challenges you.
Um, so yeah, I think sometimes like no matter what that looks like, um, you're going to gain something from it. And eventually once you're able to maybe move past that initial feeling of doubt or uncertainty or discomfort, even now when I sit down, sometimes I'll be a little uncomfortable and have to get through that or whatever. You really can tune into, I love what you said about the small voice that we all have. And I think we all have a different name.
Reese Brown (48:21.718)
for that small voice, but when you tune into that, it is so clear. It speaks so clearly when you are there. As you were talking about this SAE, I kept going back to my experience in therapy. I've been in talk therapy for almost my whole life. Actually, that's not true. I'm 24, I started when I was 12, for 12 years. I've been in talk therapy for 12 years with the same therapist and she is amazing and wonderful.
But so much of what we work on, she has several different techniques that she utilizes. But the main one that I think she tends to utilize with me is CBT or cognitive behavioral therapy, which essentially says, this is a pattern that you've had in the past. This is the pattern of your response, the pattern of your behavior because of your mental response or your neural response. How do we change your neural response to then change the behavior?
And it sounds so similar to what you were saying about how when you have this essay, then the next time you have an experience that maybe you would have a negative reaction to, you are more easily able to have a positive reaction or maybe even just a different reaction if we wanna take a value judgment out of it. And the biggest way that she's kind of described the neuroscience of this to me is that our neurons have pathways. And these are...
that just like all of us, neurons don't like change. They have well-worn pathways in our brain, like an old walking trail that you've walked many times. It's much easier to walk down that walking trail than it is to go sideways through the bushes. So your neurons want to go through that well-worn walking trail, even if it is a negative thought pattern. But CBT helps you analyze why that one's comfortable in...
Brooks Munn (50:04.562)
Yes.
Reese Brown (50:15.47)
helps train you to go the uncomfortable route, which will give you a more positive response. Does that sound similar to you at all to an SIE? Do you think an SIE approaches this work in a different way? Or do you think the experience is really more about making that change easier? And maybe perhaps it is, I'm kind of just thinking out loud at this point.
more about the subconscious mind that we're tapping into, as opposed to talk therapy being really in the conscious field, right? Like we are actively just talking about these things. But yeah, I would love to hear your thoughts on the relationship between those two things.
Brooks Munn (50:58.594)
Well, first off, I will say as far as similarities goes, and correct me if I'm wrong, Reese, it's called a CBT. Is that correct?
Reese Brown (51:07.223)
Yes.
Brooks Munn (51:09.382)
The CBT sounds like in some form or fashion, you are doing some kind of action or exercise to interact with the subconscious mind. So I would say in that aspect, they have similarities. However, I really don't know because I haven't experienced a CBT at firsthand. And also with an SIE, there are different SIEs for different purposes.
And that's the reason to I like the SIE and I called it that term. I've never heard anybody else say that is because there's always a goal in mind with an SIE is I've tried a lot of other forms of meditation.
And a lot of these other forms of meditation, I feel like is more about inting the mind or calming the mind down, which there's nothing wrong with calming the mind down, but it doesn't really get to the real root of the problem.
Reese Brown (52:04.171)
Mm.
Brooks Munn (52:13.334)
So to be completely transparent with you Reese, I couldn't really speak and say is it similar? Is it not just because I haven't personally experienced that? However, it does sound like in some aspect shape or form that the CBT is somehow interacting with the subconscious
Reese Brown (52:32.106)
Mm, absolutely. That's so interesting. Thank you for your honesty on that. And I'm like, that is something I'm noting now for like future research. I'm so fascinated and I might be hitting you up for even more information about SAIs or SIEs, excuse me. Next question that I have, I want to go back to this concept that we kind of started at, but as I tend to do and the show tends to do a lot.
tangents happen because there's so many fascinating things to chat about. But in terms of your own spiritual and faith beliefs and this scientific world, of course you have this beautiful approach to wanting to use science to essentially cut through the bullshit, let anyone else that has any sort of worldview bring that to the work and still be able to get something out of it.
How do you reconcile the science with spirituality in your own personal worldview and practice and faith system when I think a lot of...
I don't know if maybe this is the wrong term, but like traditional Christians, or maybe not traditional, but conservative would be a better word, not quite sure, would say that there's a lot out there about the disconnect between science and faith and science and religion and how these two things don't support each other and don't back each other up. I have found that science and spirituality affirm
each other so much for me personally. One of my favorite quotes is from a science fiction writer but also a neuroscientist and philosopher. His name is Arthur C. Clarke and one of his quotes is, any sufficient science will be indistinguishable from magic. And I love that because it so speaks to like
Reese Brown (54:39.266)
both the constant exploration and innovation and discovery that we have innately as human beings and as a culture, but also that there is a certain point in science where it's like, if it is sufficiently describing something, there is a little twinge of faith that will always be in there. There is this certain like sparkle of magic that is like, at some point, we're going to have to reconcile that.
It is science. These have been leading us to the same place all along. So really long tangent for me to ask that question. But yeah, how do you reconcile science and religion?
Brooks Munn (55:22.51)
Well, first I want to start with going back to my slogan. And the book of Romans tells us, do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. If that is not,
meditation, I don't know what else is. No, no, no. For those of y'all that are believers, I'm not saying that the book of Romans solely is just that's the meditation verse. No, because there are multiple things getting closer to God, praying, reading scripture, he's going to mold and transform our mind. But for those believers out there that have a stigma against meditation
Brooks Munn (56:15.04)
to intentionally change your habits and get closer to God by renewing and transforming your mind, how does that not coincide with neuroscience and reconditioning our brain and body?
Brooks Munn (56:32.886)
I mean, there's at this point, there's no point of debating. I mean, I have come across Christians that I don't even want to get into it. I don't want to be negative on this show, but let's just say they didn't agree. Um, and you know, to be completely honest with you, Reese, give me, give me one moment and let me take out my notes because I actually in my notes, I initially had some verses about this, but now you're getting me excited.
Reese Brown (56:46.574)
sure.
Reese Brown (56:53.838)
Please.
Brooks Munn (57:00.078)
because this means I have enough time to talk about this.
Reese Brown (57:03.342)
Absolutely, please do.
Brooks Munn (57:05.226)
So I want to, I want everybody to tune in because I could, I mean, we could do a whole podcast topic on this topic. And what it is, is the quantum field. And for those of y'all that don't know, let me just oversimplify the quantum field. The quantum field is a completely black field that we cannot see, that's completely void of anything material.
meaning it's a void of everything in this reality we have on earth. It is a void of darkness, okay? And I have scripture that I am about to share with y'all that proves that God is generating things out of this quantum field and void. Okay.
So first of all, the book of Hebrews, Hebrews 11.3 says, by faith we understand that the universe was created by the word of God so that what is seen was not made out of things that are visible. Guys, not made out of things that are visible. This is the quantum field. It is a invisible field that is eternal with infinite information, infinite possibilities.
I'll do a classic verse that even for y'all that aren't religious or not a Christian You've probably heard this one, but this is gonna blow your mind. Just remember, okay The quantum field is a void of darkness Okay of nothingness. So Genesis 1 in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth the earth was without form and void and Darkness was over the face of the deep
and the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters, and God said, Let there be light.
Brooks Munn (59:05.058)
And let me back up again. The earth was without form and void in darkness guys If that's not the quantum field, I don't know what is like
Reese Brown (59:18.27)
Yeah, well, and my whole thing that I love about that is, again, going back to kind of what you've continually said about, you know, inner voice, God, source, universe, whatever you wanna call it kind of stuff, right? And for me, I feel so strongly about like, all of these different practices bringing us similarly to science and religion, bringing us to the same point of why are we here?
right? How did we get here and why? And then what do we do with that? And all of that for me is making meaning and all of that good stuff. But one of the most fascinating things to me is the disconnect between the like crunchy granola and science academic communities, because both are talking about energy. The crunchy granola
Yoga community is talking about, oh, good vibes, good energy. Oh, she had such great energy. And our science community is talking about the energy of atoms and the quantum field and how everything really is energy and it's how our brains are perceiving it. And I'm like, these are, we're talking about the same thing. This is the same thing. Everyone has their own energetic field. We know this to be true from science.
So of course, when you meet someone and you think they have good energy, like sure, it's a colloquialism we use to talk about whether you like someone or not, but it is a real thing that your energetic body is interacting with theirs when you meet someone. Like our force fields are literally coming into communication with each other in the quantum field that we cannot see, but we can feel. We've always been able to feel it because it's always been there. Oh.
It gets me so fired up, as you can tell. It's just, it's fascinating. It's fascinating. And bridging the gaps in the language of this is so powerful to me. And I love that you use Bible verses to do that because I think. Even though you no longer consider yourself religious, but you do consider yourself to be a Christian, I think that there are so many communities that get stuck.
Brooks Munn (01:01:13.621)
I know it.
Reese Brown (01:01:38.946)
within the language of their holy text or their holy scripture. Instead of using that language to see connection where there is something like you have. And to me, that is so powerful because you know, we take a step back from anything. And I think we can start to see patterns and similarities between things and being able to see
your own experience in connecting to something else is just so powerful to me. And I think that is like one of the most beautiful keys to unlocking, like you were saying, this polarized and contentious state that I think we've state, I suppose, both physically and metaphorically that we found ourselves in, right?
So I just, I love that so much. One thing that I do want to ask about a little bit more specifically in this verse, which this is a big question. I know you probably don't have a good answer for it. I certainly don't, but it's fascinating to me. Genesis 1, what a verse. In the beginning, right? We're starting with a prepositional phrase, which my English brain goes crazy about.
which has so much like contextual heft to it, but God created the heavens and the earth, which were formless, I believe is how it goes. But God had to be there to create this quantum field, right? What is your explanation there? Do you view God as a non?
quantum force or do you view them as above the quantum field in that way if they had to be there before the quantum field was created? Like what's the series of events there and how was God there before there was something?
Brooks Munn (01:03:58.05)
Well, first of all, I need to really humble myself here because in the Bible, it says that we only know in part and he knows in whole and he it's alluding to, to God, but I'm going to try to the best of my ability to answer that question. As far as is he higher than the quantum field? Well, yeah, I mean, God, it, my belief, God is the creator of the heavens, the universe,
Reese Brown (01:04:09.282)
Hmm.
Brooks Munn (01:04:28.144)
planets, multiverse, whatever you want to call it. We now know guys, multiverse is a thing. He's the creator of all of it. Now, how did he go about it? How did he go about creating his own self? We don't know. And that's something that
Uh, as me personally, as a Christian, I just have to accept that we only know in part and he knows ultimately in whole. But my theory is that he is utilizing the quantum field where he is literally created everything. And guys, I'm going to give you a perfect example of why I think this. Steve Jobs in the 1980s.
had the idea for the iPhone. Now we didn't call it that. I don't know if you knew the size or, but he knew there would be some kind of microphone. Well, let me ask you this, is how do you think he just thought of that idea in his own mind based on what he knew in the past? No, because what we have to understand is it's okay to use the word think. Think is a very general term, but guys, we don't actually.
thoughts. We generate thoughts in the quantum field. Because the quantum field is an infinite amount of information. And let me challenge that. Have you ever had a new idea? Okay. Well, if it's a new idea, how did you know about it? Did you really think about it? Or were you generating that idea from a field of infinite information? And also, how did Steve Jobs come up?
with the iPhone. Guys, I'm gonna blow your mind even more. If you think the iPhone thing's crazy, get ready. Nikola Tesla in the early 1900s literally came up with Wi-Fi. He is the first one that understood exactly how Wi-Fi worked. And you know what's sad? Is it didn't happen because society rejected him. He literally got so depressed because
Brooks Munn (01:06:44.618)
Nikola Tesla was out of his mind, man. Like this guy was on a whole another level because he was generating information from the quantum field. So people thought he was crazy and society rejected him. And for the last 10 years of his life, he checked into a hotel, got depressed, and I need to check my facts. I believe he committed suicide, but he did die at that hotel due to depression because people did not believe in him, which is sad.
But again, guys, how in the heck in the early 1900s is he coming up with the concept of Wi-Fi? He didn't think about it. He had to generate that idea. And sorry, I kind of rambled there, but I didn't, by the way, guys, I didn't prepare to say that on the show because it's a very deep thing to say you don't think, you generate, but I just, I don't know. I've just kind of called to say that.
Reese Brown (01:07:25.579)
Mmm. That's... No!
Reese Brown (01:07:41.45)
No, I think that is a very important aspect of this, especially... So my formal education is in English and philosophy. I forget how much we've discussed this, but the earliest distinction in schools of philosophy is, of course, we have Socrates, then Plato, then Aristotle, or like our big three. Each one was the teacher of the next.
And anything we know from Socrates, Socrates never wrote anything down. Plato only wrote stuff down. So everything we know from Socrates is what Plato wrote down that he said Socrates said. So kind of some interesting historic stuff going on there. But the earliest distinction is between Plato and Aristotle and where information and knowledge comes from. And this is the school philosophy called epistemology.
And Brooks, please stop me if I'm explaining something that you've already heard. I do not want to explain something that you may already know. But OK, but this is the school of philosophy called epistemology, which is essentially the study of knowledge and knowledge making. And where does information come from? And Plato says that we are born already knowing everything. We simply remember it.
Brooks Munn (01:08:46.522)
No, enlighten me. I'm not familiar.
Reese Brown (01:09:07.158)
And Aristotle says that is not true. We are born as blank slates is kind of the, the languaging is are we rememberers or are we blank slates? Are the two competing schools of thought? And to this day, philosophers still work on this and there's no conclusion. So I think it makes absolute sense that you fall out in Plato's camp, you know, that it does make so much sense that
innately or, you know, in our DNA, in our in the quantum field that we are energetically a part of, that we are just kind of participating in the knowledge remembrance generation that has occurred before us and will continue to occur after us. I think a lot of us would like to think that we come up with our own ideas and of course
This has implications for free will as well. And I think similarly, the same way we can't prove that we have free will, yet so many of us feel like we do and are so committed to proving that we do because of what that would mean for us. This question is one that I think of similarly in the sense that I would really like to think that I come up with my ideas, but there is also something extremely beautiful about...
I'm a vortex for information from somewhere else, or a channel or a gate or whatever you wanna call that. I think that's also really beautiful and just as important. One thing on what you said as well, that I'll tie back into a piece of philosophy because similarly to the way you tie in your faith to science, I love tying.
philosophy and science together because I think so often scientists get mad at philosophers because like you're just talking at each other. Where's the proof? Like where's what's going on? But philosophers get mad at scientists because they get caught up in too much of the numbers and all this stuff. But Nietzsche, Friedrich Nietzsche has a book called The
Reese Brown (01:11:29.342)
A hermit, a hermit figure. And the name of this section is the madman. And so it just so made me think about what you were talking about, Nikola Tesla. And the story of the madman is that he goes up into the mountains and he communes alone with a higher power, with a source, and becomes enlightened, discovers the meaning of the universe, discovers that we are all.
you know, fingertips of God's consciousness that we are all infinite and yet meaningless. And he comes back down and he tells the townspeople and half of the townspeople say, you are a God. And the other half say, you are the devil. You are a mad man. And it's just a fascinating, I guess, thought experiment but so makes me think about Nikola Tesla in that.
So many of these thoughts that we contend with, I think also force us to contend with our own ego within them. So sorry, that was so much and I'm supposed to be here interviewing you, but I get so excited in these conversations. So thank you for giving us so much to think about in this. I do wanna be mindful of time and you've been so generous with your time already.
Brooks Munn (01:12:38.57)
No.
Reese Brown (01:12:54.75)
So we'll shoot into our last two questions. First of the last two is, in light of this conversation, in light of everything we've talked about, is there anything that you would like to clarify, return to, reiterate, or something we didn't get the chance to talk about that you think we gotta talk about?
Brooks Munn (01:13:17.762)
Yes, I really quickly because I talked about the three reasons people are unhappy. I want to talk about what I call the six pillars of happiness. The first pillar is simple. Everybody's happy when they're doing it. Pleasure, right? Listening to your favorite music or watching your favorite movie. And everybody does that. That's an easy one. Pillar number two.
Reese Brown (01:13:29.774)
Please, please, please.
Brooks Munn (01:13:45.67)
is happy because of a condition or circumstance. And this is how it's different than pleasure. For instance, the weekend, the honeymoon phase of a relationship, a promotion of a job, winning the lottery. It doesn't matter because notice how pillar number two, longevity wise, that happiness is lasting longer than, oh, just listen to my favorite song for three minutes and then it wears off or you go back to work.
Reese Brown (01:13:53.842)
Mmm.
Brooks Munn (01:14:13.37)
So that's pillar number two. Everybody is good at being happy at pillar number one and pillar number two. Pillar number three through pillar number six is what I help people do in my work. Pillar number three is happiness based on their response to their condition or circumstance.
And like we talked about earlier in the show, okay, ETA 30 minute change to an hour. Okay. I'm going to have a positive response. Now this doesn't mean you have to be enthralled about the situation, but you can have a more so positive response or you can be more solution oriented. Is pillar number three. And that's what we do a lot in our work. Okay.
Reese Brown (01:14:37.303)
Mmm.
Reese Brown (01:14:58.859)
Right.
Brooks Munn (01:15:06.27)
knowledge, enlightenment. For instance, Reese, you're really into philosophy. Has there ever been something that you've learned that actually made you happier that you've applied to your life?
Reese Brown (01:15:20.806)
Absolutely. Yeah.
Brooks Munn (01:15:23.33)
Yeah. Okay. So that that's why one of the reasons why I'm a big proponent of knowledge and like, you know, like you said earlier, I know we're wrapping up the show. So there's actually so much more I could say about pillar number four, but knowledge will ultimately lead you to enlightenment. Okay.
Reese Brown (01:15:29.826)
Yeah.
Reese Brown (01:15:40.734)
I mean, please, we do have a bit of time. If there's something else that you would like to dive into, I would absolutely love to hear it, but also do not feel pressured to by any means if you are under the gun for the time or anything.
Brooks Munn (01:15:53.546)
Okay. Well, I'll go, I'll go into it a little bit. So I, I feel like some traditional counseling, coaching therapy, or even going to see the doctor, I've heard people submit to that authority. And if you ask him, why are you doing that? They don't know. They don't know the why. And I know I've told you this story before, Reese. It's a something I've learned and Dr. Joe dispenses
And he talked about these scientists that scoped out this hotel that was multiple floors and they watched these maids working. And I mean, they were going at it. They were whipping mattresses. They were.
and they only had a certain amount of time to clean each floor. But they were so puzzled because they're like, all of these maids are obese. I don't understand what they're doing every day is exercise. So what they did is they took two groups of people. The first group they said, Hey, don't you know your job is good for you? And exercise causes you to lose weight. It causes your heart to be healthier. It causes your brain to be happier.
Brooks Munn (01:17:04.916)
a significant amount of weight, their heart became healthier, their brain became healthier, and they became happier. Group number two, nothing happened. Guys, that was just because of knowledge, because knowledge is the precursor to experience. Because those scientists shared that knowledge, they completely changed their reality and experience. Because all of a sudden, they're losing weight, all of a sudden they're healthier.
Reese Brown (01:17:22.788)
Hmm
Brooks Munn (01:17:33.182)
just by knowledge. So that's why any clients of mine that I take on, first of all, I have to say, you've got to want to learn because I'm going to teach you why we are unhappy, what happens to the brain and body when we're unhappy, and why and how you become happy by transforming your mind and body. I am a huge proponent of explaining the why.
Reese Brown (01:17:54.454)
Hmm.
Brooks Munn (01:18:00.95)
and knowledge will ultimately bring you to enlightenment. Because here's the thing, let's say we took out pillar number four. Yeah, you can be incredibly happy. But what I call that is ignorance is bliss. You can get a nine to five job, work in a remote location and live for yourself. But I could be wrong, but I would assume one day you're gonna wake up and say, what the heck am I doing in my life? Because I'm not contributing. And so much guys of my work, I promise you, if you end up doing it.
Reese Brown (01:18:01.407)
Yeah.
Reese Brown (01:18:11.351)
Hmm.
Reese Brown (01:18:23.564)
Yeah.
Brooks Munn (01:18:29.474)
you are going to become a more selfless, more loving person. And you're gonna, you're not even just going to be like, Oh, maybe I should think about contributing. Like, no, it's going to be contagious. You're just going to be like, I am in love with life. I'm in love with you. And I'm in love with everything. Like this is incredible. There there's no better way to describe it. So that that's pillar number four. Pillar number five is happiness by thought.
And let me ask you before I explain this, Reese, like have you ever had a really good day and have a really good circumstance happen to you and you produce the thought that made you even happier or you think about something gets you excited, right? So that proves our thoughts could even create more dopamine, which is so cool. So remember that before I go into this concept because it's not out there, but just tone in. I teach people.
Reese Brown (01:19:08.423)
Oh yeah.
Brooks Munn (01:19:25.986)
and the SIE with their eyes closed to literally generate emotions of happiness with their eyes closed. Now the importance of that is think about it. Typically people are happy because fill in the blank, happy because some kind of external circumstance or thing happened. I teach people internally, it doesn't matter what's going on in your life, you could be going through a crisis. I teach people to generate
happiness, gratitude, joy, bliss. You can wisdom, tune in the wisdom. I teach people to do that. And pillar number five, by the way, is very powerful. Pillar number six is God. It is that intimate relationship and connection with God. And for those of y'all that are not religious, with the quantum field, universal intelligence, connecting with some kind of higher power,
taking your ego out of the equation, which by the way, guilty as charged, I've struggled with my ego most of my life. I am not perfect at it. Yeah, I am not. And on this topic of you're talking about free will, I'm gonna coincide a little free will with pillar number six. I know you love that. I do too. I think free will, yes.
Reese Brown (01:20:33.258)
Hey, I think we all have. Yeah.
Brooks Munn (01:20:50.594)
I guess I could say in my opinion, but my belief is yes, we absolutely have free will. It tells us that in the Bible. But what I've learned is I'm a lot happier when I'm not living free will to rebel from Christ and living for myself versus really honing in and praying every day and be like, God, where do you want me, man? Send me somebody, where do you want me to go? Who do you want me to help? Who do you want me to love? Who do you want me to serve?
And I promise you, if you understand that, your whole life will change. And I became way happier. Because even before I really, really dropped everything, like I said, dropped everything to follow Christ, I don't think I fully had that. I've been faithful my whole life. I'll still pray every day and talk to God, but I didn't have like, hey man, I don't care. You give me free will. I want, I'm gonna surrender my life to you.
Reese Brown (01:21:39.971)
Hmm.
Brooks Munn (01:21:50.298)
God, I want you to be more in control. And I promise you, even if you're not a Christian, whether it's Hindu, Shiva, whether it's Buddha, whether you're atheist, higher intelligence guys, if you can surrender your ego to a higher intelligence, your life will change for the better. And that pillar number six is the most powerful thing.
Reese Brown (01:22:09.602)
Yeah.
Reese Brown (01:22:14.622)
I, yeah, I think that is so spot on as someone who both has a deep belief in a higher power, but that is kind of my own amalgam of some different things. I think one of the most powerful realizations, but also things that I'm still actively working on that I think is a choice every day, every moment to make that surrender.
is even surrendering to like my higher self, the Reese that I heard this the other day, it actually might have been in a podcast interview, but not just my best self, but my most favorite self which I really like of the Reese that I like the person, the Reese, the version of me that is the best version of me, that is also the one that I really want to be surrendering to that, to the
ideal to the image of the life that source and self in the connection between those two things can create. It's hard to do it. I, again, I'll say, I think it's a choice that I continually make throughout each day to try to, and sometimes I fail to make that choice, but it's a big one. And ego death, I think happens again and again for us all the time.
It certainly makes approaching traffic, GPS, ETAs changing, but also relationships and meaning and work and like big stuff so much more meaningful and fulfilling. So thank you so much for sharing those six pillars. I think that is extremely powerful and I'm glad that the listeners got to hear that.
Um, very last question that will tie up our wonderful conversation. What is one word to describe how you're feeling right now?
Brooks Munn (01:24:27.02)
euphoric.
Reese Brown (01:24:28.77)
Hmm, tell us why.
Brooks Munn (01:24:32.214)
It really alludes back to the first thing you asked, what I'm grateful for. I'm euphoric because I've given my life just completely to God. And he's just provided so much for me. And I just have to give all glory to him. He's 100% why I'm euphoric.
Reese Brown (01:24:52.344)
Hmm.
Reese Brown (01:24:55.714)
Brooks, thank you so much for your time, your energy, your expertise. I cannot thank you enough for having this conversation. If anyone is curious about Brooks' work, all stuff will be linked down below. And that way you can access him and his coaching services as well. Yes, all of that will be down there. And...
Again, thank you. I am so excited for this to be out there for people to listen to.
Brooks Munn (01:25:32.774)
Absolutely. And Reese, just thank you. Thank you so much for having me on. And I just want to give a disclaimer about my information below. Like I said, I'm not really a great technology savvy person right now. What I'm doing is if you want to experience just unconditional happiness and even experience an SIE and what that can do for you, I am offering everybody a free 90 minute session.
and you can contact me by my email, which it'll be down below, but it's brooks at unconditional hyphen happiness.com.
Reese Brown (01:26:12.45)
Beautiful. Thank you so much for that. That will be down below. And thank you again. This is fabulous and I will talk with you very soon.
Brooks Munn (01:26:23.57)
Absolutely. Reese, thank you so much for having me on and all the listeners tuning in. Just God bless you. Thank you so much for listening. I really appreciate it.